Why politicians get away with lying




















Reddit Pocket Flipboard Email. A lot. But the participants could also just be learning how to win the game There may be another way to interpret the results of the study: The participants are simply learning how to be liars.

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Deliberate and I think that's the key thing. If I may make the comparison with a murder it has to be deliberate to be murder or so reckless of the consequences as to be the same thing which would distinguish it from manslaughter when you do it by mistake.

It's not intended. Asa Bennett Well to me a lie it's something that's not correct that has been delivered by someone who is intending maliciously to deceive the intent behind it is key. Tony Thorne It's intentionally saying something which is untrue and I think linguists would say that lies and lying are what they call or what we call a language universal and it means it's something which occurs in all languages.

Nick Duffell And one of the things that in psychotherapy and counselling people have learned to realize that in an interaction between two people that you know there exists different levels of the truth. So the truth is it's philosophically complex. Tony Thorne The word lie is actually quite unusual in one particular way. And that is that there are almost no ways of saying lie in slang.

In British English only there's the rhyming slang porky pie telling porky pies telling porkies. So a porky is a lie again a lighthearted word. But there aren't any others as far as I'm aware and that is really strange because slang has a thousand words for kill or rob or or for anything sexually related.

I have a sense that it's because even for slang which deals with some of the most awful taboos in human behavior lies are so, a real lie is so absolute and so indefensible maybe that slang doesn't go there and that's that's a very strange thing to imagine.

Nick Duffell When someone is accused of lying it sounds like a terrible insult. And of course it's even more insulting if you actually are lying. Why do we accept the lies why do we not see through them? Tony Thorne But when we're talking about lying euphemisms are very popular because people people who do lie or people who trade in lies never want to admit that they're lying and trying to avoid using the word altogether unless they're accusing someone else. So there are there are words like you know half truth untruth evasion all of these words that really usually mean lie.

The real euphemisms where a politician for example is caught out telling what most people would consider to be a lie and one that springs to mind is to to misspeak or I misspoke. Lady Fookes It always easy or at least people will try to make their point using a euphemism on the basis that they will get away with that. An example would be I think he's being a stranger to the truth.

Asa Bennett And of course that is why then some politicians like Winston Churchill and coined the euphemisms for lying then given these are the things he coined the phrase the terminological inexactutude. Tony Thorne But it's part of a long tradition a long history not a noble tradition an ignoble tradition perhaps but go back to Renaissance portraits and you know where the prince or the king is portrayed as slim and having an enormous codpiece when for all we know the reality was other.

Later on George the fourth. I was looking the other day at a portrait in which he was portly but in fact he was apparently massively and terrifyingly obese in reality but of course you didn't paint that.

Nick Duffell When you start to normalize it over time it becomes a way of life and then you're living with long term duplicity you've got this going on a big time in our politics now and we start to normalize it. Tony Thorne When politicians are accused of lying they bristle and they they they bluster and they they they overreact partly this is because they hope by a strong reaction they can deflect the accusation but partly it's because they know they've got to take it seriously.

Asa Bennett If you're in Westminster of course one of the worst things you can do is directly accuse a member of parliament in the House of Commons of lying. And so that's why if you and the term for the parliamentarians is misleading the House and so that's why the most they can say if they're trying to gently warn a colleague about something they've said, is oh the honourable gentleman I think you are accidentally misleading the house.

Theresa May Thank you Mr Speaker can I say to the right honourable gentleman that I think in his intervention from a sedentary position he may have inadvertently misled the House on this matter.

John Bercow I hope the word liar wasn't used but order, order, order. I'm perfectly capable of handling this matter with alacrity and I shall do so. Lady Fookes The term lie or lying carries with it a moral judgment. I think that's what distinguishes it from other means of describing what is a lie. So that is unparliamentary and the speaker will stop somebody saying that or ask them to withdraw. John Bercow If a member on the frontbench used that word.

I'm sorry. I'm not debating it. I'm not arguing I'm not negotiating. That word must be withdrawn. Lady Fookes People do if they don't the speaker has the power to name the member and that will be followed immediately by a motion that X be suspended from service of the house. And if that is carried and it usually I think it will be because the speaker carries authority then that person has to leave the house immediately and can't return for five days.

First offence. Tony Thorne Politicians sometimes have to admit that they didn't tell the truth but they no politician I think has ever certainly willingly used the word lie or or has ever admitted to lying. That too is misleading. Republicans are selling a phony solution to a made-up problem. David Lazarus is an award-winning business columnist for the Los Angeles Times. His work runs in newspapers across the country and has resulted in a variety of laws protecting consumers.

Column: Your ISP says it cares about your privacy. Not so much, actually, says FTC. Why economists got it wrong on U. And what penalties are in place for those who are found to have deliberately misled parliament or the public? Both stress the importance of being truthful. This is not a question of occasional inaccuracies or a misleading use of figures: it is a consistent failure to be honest with the facts, or to correct wrong information at the earliest opportunity when misleading information is given.

This, we believe, amounts to a contempt of the House. What do these things mean? And can they be used to hold politicians to account for alleged dishonesty?

People frustrated with debates in the House of Commons often criticise the Speaker for failing to hold politicians to account over allegedly dishonest remarks. The current speaker, Lindsay Hoyle, issued a strongly worded call last month for MPs to correct the record voluntarily if they make inaccurate statements in the Commons.

This is a matter of political debate.



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